Rivr Luzade wrote:The Ironfist wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:
Entirely my fault, nothing to do with Nullarbor who I may have mistakenly fingered as the culprit earlier :)
-Greyscale
1% ME per Upgrade level that means you pay 25b for the step from 2% to 3% how is that ever worth it? Especially when you compare it to minmatar outpost refining upgrades. It is not in line at all. Its a downright boring and coward change. If you want localized industry in null-sec you're going to have to do better then that.
At minimum a fully upgraded amarr outpost should have a reduction of 15% anything below that is plain pointless.
Only to export your Made in China stuff to High sec and sell it there?
5% is good enough to give your local industry an edge over importers, but also prohibit exports to High sec and thus
forces encourages you to use your stuff locally.
I don't see a problem here if you do it as intended, and not in the way you want to exploit the system.
5% for 60b you don't see the problem with that? 1% per upgrade is next to no return on your investment. Also 5% will not give you an edge over importers because for T2/T3 you will still need to import materials...
Again look at the Minmatar outpost were you get 19,6% more efficient refining for 60b and then compare it to 3% you get for 60b for upgrading a amarr outpost to Tier3. You don't see an issue here?
But there is literally no point in ever upgrading an amarr outpost after this. Because an investment is only sound if you can recope it in a reasonable amount of time now do tell me how long it'll take to recope 60b with 3% material bonus.. best case you build capitals meaning you get the bonus twice once on the parts once on the ship itself. So thats 6% below what everyone else can build right? WRONG because lowsec got their new CAA. Which means the real difference shrinks to 4%..
But lets just do the math with 6% so it doesn't look like complete ****.
Lets go with Naglfar's they cost about 2b in minerals to build 6% from that is 120mil so thats 120mil "safed" per dread.
Which means you'll have to build 500 naglfars to recope your investment can you sell 500 naglfars local? nop never not a chance in hell so you'll have to move em to a lowsec system. Thats gonna again cut into your profit. Can you get the minerals for 500 dreads local? Nop not a chance again gotta import thats gonna cost you money.
You see the problem here now? Essentially there is no point in changing it to an ME bonus if its only 1% per level. Thats utterly pointless. Because hoping to hold the outpost for years its gonna take you to recope that is not realistic. How long do you think it takes to recope the cost of upgrading a minmatar outpost to Tier3? Lemme tell you 2 months or 4 titan builds to be more precise.